You season 4

Joe Goldberg (Penn Badgley) is back in all of his glory for Part 2 of You. The first five episodes go down a different path in which Joe, ...

Upon his realization of all that he had done, from killing the real Rhys to the prior three murders and everything that he had done to Marienne, Joe finally realizes how dangerous he is. In the public’s eyes now, Joe escaped an abusive partner in Love, placed Henry in a safe position away from his mother, and is now considered this white knight for how he was able to escape this concocted harm. It’s also at this moment that he erases everything in his mind about Marienne, never returning to feed her (throughout the Part 1 episodes, presumably) or check in on her. Once he transports her to the cage, he begins to lose it, banging his head on the glass, and it’s in that fleeting scene when he snaps into his new persona, the one we previously saw play out as the fake Rhys. A few scenes go by, though, and it’s later revealed that his suicide efforts were thwarted as his body washes up ashore, and Joe later awakens in a hospital bed with his only visitor being Kate. When we last saw Marienne in Part 1, Joe had tracked her down in Europe, chased her through a market, and eventually followed her to a train station before she headed off — seemingly on her way to a new life. That was, in fact, not the case as Joe had slipped something in her drink when he intentionally bumped into her at the station, kidnapped her, and transported her to his apartment before eventually taking her to the cage. The killings that were supposedly carried out by him, which include Malcolm (Stephen Hagan), Simon (Aidan Cheng), and Gemma (Eve Austin), were actually all of Joe’s doing — though in his mind, he had removed himself so far from that darkness that he had no clue this other personality of his was actually the one responsible. [Joe was actually behind all of the murders](https://collider.com/you-season-4-joe-goldberg-redemption/) that played out in Part 1. What actually sets him down this new path, however, is the next reveal: Marienne is the one he's been keeping in a cage the entire time! Showrunner Sera Gamble and the season's writers got quite creative in their storytelling this season and utilized some misdirections to set up a thrilling finish to the fourth season. The first five episodes go down a different path in which Joe, now going by Jonathan Moore, is the one attempting to solve who is behind the Eat the Rich killings.

Warning: This post contains spoilers for part two of season four of You. Well, Joe Goldberg has done it again: killed a bunch of people, framed others for ...

Nadia is set on bringing Joe to justice but needs solid evidence to provide to the police, and in order to get it she must go back to his apartment. After finding Marienne in the glass box, passed out with an empty pill bottle, Goldberg assumes she’s dead so he takes her out of the box and leaves her on a bench in a park. When Joe wakes up in the hospital, Kate meets him there and tells him she inherited her father’s wealth and therefore power but in order for them to be together, he has to tell her the truth. Nadia tells Edward about their plan(s), which ended with Nadia meeting Marienne in the park after Joe dropped her there and gave her a drug to reverse the effects of the pills she took to wake her up. Nadia begins to snoop around Joe’s apartment when he’s gone and discovers his real name when her boyfriend, Edward—the son of a newspaper publisher—sends her leaked candid photos of Joe walking around with a bag of Indian food in multiple different pictures. Joe kills Lockwood and after an emotional conversation with the apparitional Montrose, he decides to die by suicide and jumps off a bridge, which he manages to survive because the police immediately rescue him. Viewers then see Montrose break down how Joe imagined this all and is, in fact, the person who killed all of the people who have been murdered this season, thereby continuing to be exactly who he was trying not to be. The identity of the killer is revealed to be Montrose, and Joe tries to figure out how to take him down to get him off his back. All of this leads him to the conclusion that he needs to die by suicide so as not to continue this vicious cycle of hurting women. But by the end of the remaining five episodes, he ultimately remains a serial killer addicted to protecting the woman he loves and almost, but not quite, getting caught. Fans of the show left off the first part of the season with Penn Badgley’s Joe finding out that the “Eat The Rich” killer was Rhys Montrose and becoming obsessed with taking him down. A month after the first part of Season 4 was released, Netflix finally released Part Two on March 9 and Goldberg’s story got wrapped up in a nice, neat(-ish) bow as it always does.

We thought he was on the path to redemption in part one, then bam! Psychopath Joe is back in the building.

But this choice, this character decision to have Joe embrace his inner demon seems -- perversely -- to be a wise one. Maybe season 5 will see Joe master his killing instinct and use it only on the deserving, Dexter-style. He jumps off the side of a bridge in an attempt to end Rhys and his own evil doings. But then season 4 showed Joe -- and us -- the truth. Kate promises she can accept all of him -- both his Joe side and his Rhys side -- and makes a proposition: She'll help him stay "good" as long as he reciprocates and helps her stay "good." Given that Joe usually disappears into long pauses in conversations (when he's telling us in voiceover what his real opinion of people is), the Rhys hallucination is kind of a plausible Joe thing to make up.

Showrunner Sera Gamble answers all of your 'You' Season 4 questions, and hints at what might be next for Joe Goldberg in season 5.

One that I can think of off the top of my head is the combination to the glass cage. The people who benefit the most from getting advice on social media are the people we need more of in the business. And now that he has a long trail of bodies behind him and several people out there who know who he really is, we have to ask ourselves, what would be just desserts for Joe and are we going to give them to him or not? In the writer’s room, we talked a lot about the redemption tours that you see in the press when somebody does something bad and it becomes public, and then they have to apologize to be able to resume their lives. So, the Joe that you’re hearing is the Joe that you’re seeing in the scenes throughout the first seven episodes of the season. We’ve been talking about it since before we shot a frame of the show. We thought about the part of Joe that would have split off and then the part of him that stayed. The voice that you’re hearing is the part of Joe’s identity that he is admitting to himself exists. And then we started talking about people who have stalked celebrities and have a parasocial relationship with them and have a belief that they have a relationship that they don’t. We always knew we wanted him to go back to New York, have a homecoming, have his real name, shave his beard, and look like Joe Classic, but that he would be much more in the category of people he used to watch from afar. We are very clear that we’re not psychiatrists, and that the show is not about diagnosis. We know nobody is going to show You in a Psychology 101 class as if to say, “Look at these perfect examples of these different disorders.” We’re blurring the edges.

Things look different for the reinvented Joe Goldberg after a rollercoaster fourth season of the hit Netflix series starring Penn Badgley.

A fifth season could bring back Marienne and Nadia and the possibility of Joe’s destruction, but will undoubtedly reinvent the show yet again for a final, bloodstained hurrah. With Kate’s money and influence (and loyalty), no one can touch Joe, least of all the ones he outsmarted without the might of the Lockwood name. Joe’s narration, Nadia is keeping quiet in prison; the last time Joe put someone behind bars it was a white man with a successful career of repute, and speaking out did him no favors. It’s a clever way to cloak the second twist, in which Rhys — at least the Rhys that viewers and Joe know — is not Rhys Montrose at all, but a projection of Joe’s psyche, his most murderous tendencies personified. Through his own narration, this was framed as repeated attempts to be a good person — a good partner, father, neighbor, and more — all while he slid further and further into the darkness within. All this time the show was reinventing itself, switching up characters and settings to keep Joe from getting caught — but it was simultaneously reinventing Joe himself. He’s no longer running from the past, but bringing it — welcoming it — into his future. “It was a separate idea that we had for longer, that essentially Joe would become more unhinged each season,” Gamble said. Joe Goldberg is mentally ill, no question; he hyperfixates on every woman he’s ever “loved,” and turning that obsessive nature to a new target absolutely tracks. “The events of the past three seasons have worn on this character the same way it’s worn on us as we’ve watched it. From there, we learn the truth about Joe Golberg’s (Badgley) leisurely London retreat, and it’s a harrowing ride right til the end. We’ve learned a little something about the something about the mistakes you can make in relationships along the way.

As he tried to protect his new lady love Kate (Charlotte Ritchie) and shockingly let his ex-obsession Marienne (Tati Gabrielle) go back to her daughter in Paris ...

From what we saw of Nadia, she was a righteous and brave young woman who wasn't afraid to do what was right no matter the cost, so it's unlikely she'll go quietly into being set up for murder. It turns out the Rhys that Joe knew was nothing more than a figment of his twisted mind, a haunting figure that he'd created to cover up the truth of his own actions. We don't know what Joe told her but it'll be very interesting to see whether she really is just as much of a psychopath as him when it comes to their future together. What we really want to know is whether Kate is a woman who's okay with the fact that her beau likes to keep women trapped in a box. Well, aside from narrative invention and a need to keep viewers guessing, it was to hide the truth about what he'd done to Marienne, capturing and -- in his mind -- killing her. And if there's one thing killers love, it's to return to the scene of the crime. It's a bleakly neat ending to the class war themes that have driven this season, but instead of the underdog winning we end up with killer Joe on top of the world, protected by Kate's money and influence. While you may have gotten an inkling that the smarmy hunk wasn't all he seemed to be with his near supernatural ability to show up at Joe's home without invitation and torment him into his cat and mouse games, you still might not have realized that Joe had really gone full Fight Club. A lot of fan theories got close to this truth — the real Eat the Rich killer was Joe Goldberg all along. With that out of the way the stage is set in the finale for Nadia to finally take down Joe and uncover his globetrotting crimes to the world. In a brutal final twist Joe sets up Nadia's boyfriend Eddie (Brad Alexander) for the Eat the Rich killings, murders the student, and hands Nadia the knife. As he tried to protect his new lady love Kate (Charlotte Ritchie) and shockingly let his ex-obsession Marienne (Tati Gabrielle) go back to her daughter in Paris, it seemed like Joe was finally putting his evil past behind him.

Penn Badgley explains why he felt like the twist involving Joe Goldberg and Ed Speleers' Rhys in You Season 4 Part 2 felt refreshing.

He does that in order to bring out a side to Joe that Joe's probably trying to push away. The final handful of episodes picks up after Joe ( [Penn Badgley](https://collider.com/tag/penn-badgley/)) learned that Rhys (Ed Speleers) is the "Eat the Rich" killer. But in order to do that, you have to understand their mindset, and you have to get on board with the idea that they're making decisions because they think this is the best thing...I love the fact that he does some very broad, bold, bold suggestions. While Rhys was very much a real person, he and Joe never met until the moments leading up to his death. We got it with Forty in season two, and he was iconic for that reason — and also because James Scully is a great actor, and it was a great character. So, Joe sets out to prove it and put a stop to Rhys once and for all.

You season 4, part 2 is officially here, and it's crystal clear that Joe Goldberg is up to his old tricks. ICYMI: the murderous stalker fakes his death in ...

The screen fades to black, and viewers later discover that Joe has moved to New York City with Kate, who inherited all of her father's money and influential status in the wake of his death. The murderous killer had already planted evidence connecting Edward to Rhys' murder and left proof connecting Nadia to Edward's murder in her apartment before calling the police. Kate uses her newfound power to help Joe return to the US with a clean slate. Unfortunately for Rhys, he suffered the IRL consequences of accidentally becoming one of Joe's fixations, and he was subsequently killed. His connection to Kate led him to her father's airport hangar in the final episode, where he sought revenge for his mistreatment of Kate. After Marienne's ex was killed in a robbery gone wrong, Love revealed that it was Joe who had killed Ryan and urged Marienne to take her daughter and leave before she was killed. Now that Joe is back to his old tricks, there's no telling what havoc he'll wreak in New York City in You season five. She gives her beta blocker pills to decrease her heart rate activity in an attempt to make Joe believe that she had committed suicide. He later woke up in a hospital bed with Kate at his side and appeared to come clean about the crimes he committed. He came up lucky when he notices one of her paintings in a park in Paris. Before settling down in London, Joe travels to Paris and "coincidentally" stumbles across Marienne, who was one of his past victims. Joe plans to turn over a new leaf with a new identity as a university professor named Jonathan Moore, but since this is You and it's Joe we're talking about, one can only guess that there would be a murderous trail left behind.

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In "You" season 4, part 1, a serial killer was on the loose, and surprisingly, it was not Joe Goldberg. By the end of the fifth episode, the whodunit ...

Tom wanted Joe to believe that he had no intention of framing Joe for the murder and that he would take care of the DNA recovered from the scene. He wanted to be honest with Kate, and he confessed that he had killed people in his life. The story was contoured accordingly, and he was portrayed as the victim of his violent partner. He had to give up on Kate and was willing to make the sacrifice to right the wrong. Marienne and Nadia had planned the custody detail together, and it was Nadia and not Beatrice who replied to the texts to scare Joe. He wanted to kill Marienne and get rid of the problem all together, but Joe refused to participate. He gradually realized that he always met Rhys in private, and the only time Rhys spoke to him in public, Joe was the only person to respond. He had lived in denial all his life, and Rhys was his way of coping with the crimes that he had committed. His plan to murder Tom was in action, and just when he had pulled his dagger halfway out, Tom proposed that he kill Rhys. She noticed the Indian takeout Joe was carrying in one of the pictures, and she decided to explore the places he often visited. Joe’s sudden interest in murder mysteries, his social circle, and the way he was always turning out to be the savior seemed too strange. Joe supported Kate’s interest in becoming a better person, but for the time being, he was desperate to meet Tom and figure out a way to kill him.

The cast is incoherent, the comedy is poor, and the plot twists are ridiculous - but this hottest of televisual catastrophes is impossible to ignore.

It's basically a game of whack-a-mole with a multi-headed hydra of story for the writers. Despite having a soft spot for this hottest of messes, the show, like Joe, should definitely call it quits while he's ahead. The final episode is the best/worst, with a number of plotlines concluding off-screen, with bizarre twists, or with actual magic. Hyde, the absurd jumps in logic, and the hot homoeroticism between Rhys and Joe are all part of the enjoyment. Victoria Peretti's brief cameo as Joe's brilliantly insane ex-wife, Love, only highlights the dusty absence of chemistry between Ritchie and Badgley. No mind that the performances are so varied that it could be an unholy mash-up of a dozen different acts.

A man wearing a sports cap stands next to a tree. Joe's hat stays strong. Credit: Netflix ...

[into ](https://mashable.com/video/succession-season-4-teaser-trailer-hbo) [Succession](https://mashable.com/video/succession-season-4-teaser-trailer-hbo) [ territory,](https://mashable.com/video/succession-season-4-teaser-trailer-hbo) with Joe killing his way up the ladder to become a powerful figure akin to Kate's dad or [Logan Roy](https://mashable.com/article/succession-season-3-scenes) (Brian Cox). He has finally made peace with his darker side and has convinced himself that killing is a justified means to an end. With their new fat wad of cash, they move back to New York City and set up shop in a high-rise apartment overlooking Central Park. Just in case you thought Joe had a chance at redemption, his final blow against Nadia reassures viewers that he remains the absolute worst. Her investigative trail leads her to the abandoned building where Marienne's being kept hostage, and the two team up to figure out a way to get her out of there. Part 2 wraps up with Joe unscathed and Nadia taking the blame for his crimes in London. We all thought she was on a train to Paris in Part 1, but this is Joe's world, and our reliably unreliable narrator seems to have omitted a whole week of his life. But in Part 2 we see that along with his pickpocketing, he drugs Marienne's drink and kidnaps her while she's unconscious. Joe was already a dangerous person, but now we see how deeply he's in denial — which harrowingly explains what actually happened to Marienne (Tati Gabrielle). Although Rhys is actually a real person in the You-niverse, he's never met Joe. But while Season 4 of You strung us along with a series of mishaps, the finale was the ultimate cherry on top for this whirlwind whodunit. From methodically disassembling a human body while "I Like It" by Cardi B plays in the background to

The finale saw Kate (Charlotte Ritchie), her father Tom Lockwood (Greg Kinnear), Nadia (Amy Leigh Hickman), Marienne (Tati Gabrielle) and Joe all face off in ...

For more from the biggest stars in TV, listen to [The Radio Times Podcast](https://www.radiotimes.com/audio/podcasts/). But if the look on Marienne's face reveals anything, it's that she isn't done with this story of Joe and probably won't let his newfound fame continue if she has anything to do with it. The police will think it was Eddie that killed Rhys and then Nadia killed Eddie because of it – but Nadia has been set up for murder. But when recounting the story, Nadia and Eddie realise that Joe is such an obsessive that he would collect souvenirs of his past victims so they set off to his flat in the hope of getting evidence. Joe has killed him and in her daze, hands the knife (murder weapon) to Nadia. The tub of pills Joe had left in the cage previously were swapped round with some of the tablets Nadia got from Eddie, all in order to stage a suicide. He narrates that with the help of Kate, a cybersecurity team, publicists and Tom's former lieutenant Cynthia, search results have been scrubbed, news archives have been hacked and the Madre Linda chief of police was bribed all in order to allow Joe to wipe the slate clean. We also catch a glimpse of Rhys in the window reflection and as Joe says he's just "more honest" about killing now, season 4 ends with a positively eerie image of a grinning Joe, as smug as ever. But naturally, his family managed to cover it up and conceal it from the newspapers. Although he hoped to kill himself, he later wakes up in the hospital with Kate by his side and the two profess their love for one another. He doctors the murder scene, disposing of Hugo's body and afterwards, comes to a bridge to confront his imagined vision of Rhys. Early in the finale, Joe is faced with Kate's admission that she feels as though her father "owns" her, citing examples where Tom has destroyed her relationships and opened countless doors for her throughout her career.

[Ed. note: This will have spoilers for part 1.] A closeup of Rhys Montrose, wearing a black suit in front of a bookcase, ...

There is always a “You” that Joe is obsessing over, addressing in his thoughts, building a whole imaginary identity around a person he watches from afar and up close, never really accepting the real person in front of him over the version he created. This traps Joe as a pawn in a cat-and-mouse game between Rhys and his girlfriend’s father, as each wants Joe to kill the other. Two episodes into part 2, this season of You gets turned on its head when Joe arrives to kill Rhys Montrose and discovers he has no idea who Joe is. Instead, he settles for attempting to murder him by trapping him in a cellar set ablaze, which Joe survives — only to find that his new nemesis is running for mayor, and he might be the only person who knows the truth about him. Given his considerable resources, he also knows that Joe is not Jonathan Moore, and suspects his spotty history with dead women means that Joe is, in fact, a killer. While this sort of thing could conceivably lead somewhere good, it’s also a premise that could undo the show’s careful work to not overly empathize with or justify Joe, even as it remains firmly rooted in his perspective.

Spoilers below. After assuming a new identity as a college professor named Jonathan Moore, Joe Goldberg finds himself at the center of a murder mystery in ...

If she can get to the bottom of a mystery like Joe Goldberg, she's certainly smart enough to manifest her own release from prison. Nadia joins the ranks of women who are well aware of Joe Goldberg's proclivities. To her horror, he has murdered Edward and made sure that Nadia is the number one suspect. Handing her the knife that he used to kill her boyfriend, Joe tells Nadia, “There's going to be a box found in your bedroom by the police. Nadia might be locked up for a crime she didn't commit, but that doesn't mean she can't make an appearance in future seasons of You. They decide to go to Joe's apartment to look for evidence that he is the real Eat the Rich Killer, believing that he's likely kept souvenirs of his victims. Of all of the people in Jonathan Moore's life, Nadia is probably the most dangerous—because she's onto him. After finding an article about the death of Joe's first wife, Love, online, Nadia convinces Edward that Jonathan Moore is really Joe Goldberg. He even enlists the help of one of his literature students, Nadia (Amy-Leigh Hickman), to help him understand the mechanics of a whodunnit as he tries to uncover the identity of the the [Eat the Rich Killer](https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a42815779/you-season-4-eat-the-rich-killer-explained/) targeting London's elite. With the help of her boyfriend Edward, Nadia begins to investigate Jonathan. Nadia desperately wants to help Marienne, who forbids her from calling the police. As a young college student with a talent for solving murder mysteries, Nadia didn't mean to get dragged into any of Joe's messes.

Originally released in 2018, the American psychological thriller - You - has released four seasons thus far, with a fifth expected to come sooner or later ...

He seems content in a new relationship and is no longer on the run from his past. Joe realizes his mistake when he kills the real Rhys in episode 7. Although it was suggested that Joe was in a fugue state or had multiple personalities, he still managed to get away with his actions, and even more.

You creator Sera Gamble on the twist of season 4 Part 2, the future of Joe Goldberg (Penn Badgley) on the Netflix show and the Fight Club comparisons.

This has been the point of the show since the first frame, which is that you look at Joe and you think, “What a nice guy, real boyfriend material.” And then we keep telling you who he really is and then, somehow, some part of us keeps liking him and forgiving him over and over and over again. We see at the end of season four that “Rhys” is still present for him, but now he’s with Kate and has returned to New York. That’s within the vocabulary of what can happen in this world, and Joe is, to her, a much more noble figure than her dad ever was, because her dad was just greedy and ruthless and Joe is trying to help and save people, primarily. Knowing that Penn was directing the episode, it felt like it would be fun for everybody, and that it would be meaningful for him to direct actors that he had so much understanding with, that he had worked with so, so much. But being raised in the household she was raised in and having the father that she did, she’s not afraid of hearing that somebody has resorted to murder. The first thing that became clear to us was that she and Edward were going to have to get close enough that she trusted him. And getting to figure out how she would survive, and that her art — essentially being an artist and being a mother — is how she survives in the cage. She has to come up in the end as the truth-seeker of the season. The first thing that was appealing was that this was going to be a real challenge. “For better and for worse, I don’t have much interest in working on a season of TV that isn’t continuing to challenge me as a writer and challenge the writers room,” she explains. You have to have a great reason that you’re doing this, and then also have a lot of ideas up your sleeve about what to do with it when you jump into the deep end. We originally thought of it as the episode where we switch POV, which we like to do occasionally and finally could when we revealed she was there.

You showrunner Sera Gamble explained why they chose to go with that insane twist in season four, part two.

We didn’t commit to it for this season until we knew we were doing the whodunnit, but we did keep a close eye on how crazy Joe was from season to season because we didn’t want it to come completely out of left field." Gamble also disclosed that her team kept a close eye on how insane Joe went from season to season and that she didn’t want to shy away from the concept. For better and for worse, I don’t have much interest in working on a season of TV that isn’t continuing to challenge me as a writer and challenge the writers room. But just as we thought the cycle stopped with Marienne (Tati Gabrielle), Part 2 of Season 4 shows that Joe actually did kidnap her, and he couldn't even remember doing so—as for him, it was Rhys who had a hand in every crime he actually committed himself. But at some point in the first half of Season 4, audiences were led to believe that Rhys Montrose (Ed Speleers) was the culprit this time around. Since the first season of You, we all know at this point that it's him, Joe Goldberg (Penn Badgley); he's the problem, it's him.

You season 4 is here, and Joe Goldberg is locking people in his favorite glass cages once more. But how does Joe transport his glass boxes to London?

I gotta think Mooney would be impressed.” And by [season 3](https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a37886117/penn-badgley-you-season-3-interview/), Love and Joe were building a glass cage together in the basement of their bakery in Madre Linda, and no one batted an eyelid. “You watched him [carry glass panes into a building] with his wife in the previous season,” Gamble explains. ... There’s a lot of times when we’ll turn to our writer’s assistant, and just be like, ‘So is it true that you can dissolve a body in cat litter?’ And then that’s her search [history]—the kinds of cookies she’s leaving, the kind of ads she’s going to now see, her search history if someone goes missing in her neighborhood.” While most of the people they contacted thought the request was somewhat creepy—and rightfully so—one person did reply and quoted somewhere in the region of $70,000 to $95,000. One might assume that Joe would leave the glass cage behind when he moved from New York to Los Angeles in season 2. Originally, the glass box housed rare books in the basement of the store Joe worked in. [You](https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a25849564/penn-badgley-tweets-joe-goldberg-you-netflix/) viewers continue to ask is, how in the hell does he transport his custom-made glass boxes? “Before we settled on this glass cage, we looked at all different kinds of cages, made of all different materials for all kinds of really horrifying uses. ELLE.com caught up with [showrunner Sera Gamble](https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a37911330/you-season-3-ending-explained-sera-gamble-interview/) to find out how Joe sources his terrifying traps, and how he imported them to London without anyone noticing. But how, exactly, does Joe Goldberg transport his trademark structure halfway across the world? As an adult, Joe started using the lockable box as a torture chamber for his own victims. Heck, he’s even been known to deck out his glass cages with cozy rugs, soft furnishings, and classic books, of course.