You' Season 4

We thought he was on the path to redemption in part one, then bam! Psychopath Joe is back in the building.

But this choice, this character decision to have Joe embrace his inner demon seems -- perversely -- to be a wise one. Maybe season 5 will see Joe master his killing instinct and use it only on the deserving, Dexter-style. He jumps off the side of a bridge in an attempt to end Rhys and his own evil doings. But then season 4 showed Joe -- and us -- the truth. Kate promises she can accept all of him -- both his Joe side and his Rhys side -- and makes a proposition: She'll help him stay "good" as long as he reciprocates and helps her stay "good." Given that Joe usually disappears into long pauses in conversations (when he's telling us in voiceover what his real opinion of people is), the Rhys hallucination is kind of a plausible Joe thing to make up.

Penn Badgley explains why he felt like the twist involving Joe Goldberg and Ed Speleers' Rhys in You Season 4 Part 2 felt refreshing.

He does that in order to bring out a side to Joe that Joe's probably trying to push away. The final handful of episodes picks up after Joe ( [Penn Badgley](https://collider.com/tag/penn-badgley/)) learned that Rhys (Ed Speleers) is the "Eat the Rich" killer. But in order to do that, you have to understand their mindset, and you have to get on board with the idea that they're making decisions because they think this is the best thing...I love the fact that he does some very broad, bold, bold suggestions. While Rhys was very much a real person, he and Joe never met until the moments leading up to his death. We got it with Forty in season two, and he was iconic for that reason — and also because James Scully is a great actor, and it was a great character. So, Joe sets out to prove it and put a stop to Rhys once and for all.

[Ed. note: This will have spoilers for part 1.] A closeup of Rhys Montrose, wearing a black suit in front of a bookcase, ...

There is always a “You” that Joe is obsessing over, addressing in his thoughts, building a whole imaginary identity around a person he watches from afar and up close, never really accepting the real person in front of him over the version he created. This traps Joe as a pawn in a cat-and-mouse game between Rhys and his girlfriend’s father, as each wants Joe to kill the other. Two episodes into part 2, this season of You gets turned on its head when Joe arrives to kill Rhys Montrose and discovers he has no idea who Joe is. Instead, he settles for attempting to murder him by trapping him in a cellar set ablaze, which Joe survives — only to find that his new nemesis is running for mayor, and he might be the only person who knows the truth about him. Given his considerable resources, he also knows that Joe is not Jonathan Moore, and suspects his spotty history with dead women means that Joe is, in fact, a killer. While this sort of thing could conceivably lead somewhere good, it’s also a premise that could undo the show’s careful work to not overly empathize with or justify Joe, even as it remains firmly rooted in his perspective.

Spoilers below. After assuming a new identity as a college professor named Jonathan Moore, Joe Goldberg finds himself at the center of a murder mystery in ...

If she can get to the bottom of a mystery like Joe Goldberg, she's certainly smart enough to manifest her own release from prison. Nadia joins the ranks of women who are well aware of Joe Goldberg's proclivities. To her horror, he has murdered Edward and made sure that Nadia is the number one suspect. Handing her the knife that he used to kill her boyfriend, Joe tells Nadia, “There's going to be a box found in your bedroom by the police. Nadia might be locked up for a crime she didn't commit, but that doesn't mean she can't make an appearance in future seasons of You. They decide to go to Joe's apartment to look for evidence that he is the real Eat the Rich Killer, believing that he's likely kept souvenirs of his victims. Of all of the people in Jonathan Moore's life, Nadia is probably the most dangerous—because she's onto him. After finding an article about the death of Joe's first wife, Love, online, Nadia convinces Edward that Jonathan Moore is really Joe Goldberg. He even enlists the help of one of his literature students, Nadia (Amy-Leigh Hickman), to help him understand the mechanics of a whodunnit as he tries to uncover the identity of the the [Eat the Rich Killer](https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a42815779/you-season-4-eat-the-rich-killer-explained/) targeting London's elite. With the help of her boyfriend Edward, Nadia begins to investigate Jonathan. Nadia desperately wants to help Marienne, who forbids her from calling the police. As a young college student with a talent for solving murder mysteries, Nadia didn't mean to get dragged into any of Joe's messes.

Originally released in 2018, the American psychological thriller - You - has released four seasons thus far, with a fifth expected to come sooner or later ...

He seems content in a new relationship and is no longer on the run from his past. Joe realizes his mistake when he kills the real Rhys in episode 7. Although it was suggested that Joe was in a fugue state or had multiple personalities, he still managed to get away with his actions, and even more.

You creator Sera Gamble on the twist of season 4 Part 2, the future of Joe Goldberg (Penn Badgley) on the Netflix show and the Fight Club comparisons.

This has been the point of the show since the first frame, which is that you look at Joe and you think, “What a nice guy, real boyfriend material.” And then we keep telling you who he really is and then, somehow, some part of us keeps liking him and forgiving him over and over and over again. We see at the end of season four that “Rhys” is still present for him, but now he’s with Kate and has returned to New York. That’s within the vocabulary of what can happen in this world, and Joe is, to her, a much more noble figure than her dad ever was, because her dad was just greedy and ruthless and Joe is trying to help and save people, primarily. Knowing that Penn was directing the episode, it felt like it would be fun for everybody, and that it would be meaningful for him to direct actors that he had so much understanding with, that he had worked with so, so much. But being raised in the household she was raised in and having the father that she did, she’s not afraid of hearing that somebody has resorted to murder. The first thing that became clear to us was that she and Edward were going to have to get close enough that she trusted him. And getting to figure out how she would survive, and that her art — essentially being an artist and being a mother — is how she survives in the cage. She has to come up in the end as the truth-seeker of the season. The first thing that was appealing was that this was going to be a real challenge. “For better and for worse, I don’t have much interest in working on a season of TV that isn’t continuing to challenge me as a writer and challenge the writers room,” she explains. You have to have a great reason that you’re doing this, and then also have a lot of ideas up your sleeve about what to do with it when you jump into the deep end. We originally thought of it as the episode where we switch POV, which we like to do occasionally and finally could when we revealed she was there.

You showrunner Sera Gamble explained why they chose to go with that insane twist in season four, part two.

We didn’t commit to it for this season until we knew we were doing the whodunnit, but we did keep a close eye on how crazy Joe was from season to season because we didn’t want it to come completely out of left field." Gamble also disclosed that her team kept a close eye on how insane Joe went from season to season and that she didn’t want to shy away from the concept. For better and for worse, I don’t have much interest in working on a season of TV that isn’t continuing to challenge me as a writer and challenge the writers room. But just as we thought the cycle stopped with Marienne (Tati Gabrielle), Part 2 of Season 4 shows that Joe actually did kidnap her, and he couldn't even remember doing so—as for him, it was Rhys who had a hand in every crime he actually committed himself. But at some point in the first half of Season 4, audiences were led to believe that Rhys Montrose (Ed Speleers) was the culprit this time around. Since the first season of You, we all know at this point that it's him, Joe Goldberg (Penn Badgley); he's the problem, it's him.

You season 4 is here, and Joe Goldberg is locking people in his favorite glass cages once more. But how does Joe transport his glass boxes to London?

I gotta think Mooney would be impressed.” And by [season 3](https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a37886117/penn-badgley-you-season-3-interview/), Love and Joe were building a glass cage together in the basement of their bakery in Madre Linda, and no one batted an eyelid. “You watched him [carry glass panes into a building] with his wife in the previous season,” Gamble explains. ... There’s a lot of times when we’ll turn to our writer’s assistant, and just be like, ‘So is it true that you can dissolve a body in cat litter?’ And then that’s her search [history]—the kinds of cookies she’s leaving, the kind of ads she’s going to now see, her search history if someone goes missing in her neighborhood.” While most of the people they contacted thought the request was somewhat creepy—and rightfully so—one person did reply and quoted somewhere in the region of $70,000 to $95,000. One might assume that Joe would leave the glass cage behind when he moved from New York to Los Angeles in season 2. Originally, the glass box housed rare books in the basement of the store Joe worked in. [You](https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a25849564/penn-badgley-tweets-joe-goldberg-you-netflix/) viewers continue to ask is, how in the hell does he transport his custom-made glass boxes? “Before we settled on this glass cage, we looked at all different kinds of cages, made of all different materials for all kinds of really horrifying uses. ELLE.com caught up with [showrunner Sera Gamble](https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a37911330/you-season-3-ending-explained-sera-gamble-interview/) to find out how Joe sources his terrifying traps, and how he imported them to London without anyone noticing. But how, exactly, does Joe Goldberg transport his trademark structure halfway across the world? As an adult, Joe started using the lockable box as a torture chamber for his own victims. Heck, he’s even been known to deck out his glass cages with cozy rugs, soft furnishings, and classic books, of course.

'You' Season 4, Part 2 ends with many twists and Joe Goldberg (Penn Badgley) once again on top and more powerful than ever.

While it felt like the season was going full Fight Club when Joe threw Evil Rhys over the side of the bridge, we get our first hint that New York Joe has decided to embrace the evil when he looks out the window and we see a reflection of Rhys in the glass. Joe places the knife in her hand, and tells her what's about to happen: he's given an anonymous tip that Eddie killed Rhys, and has set it up so that Nadia looks like the person who killed Eddie—because she found out that Eddie "killed" Rhys. And maybe we'll see that start to happen in Season 5. We'd love to see Ellie return and help take Joe down, but with Ortega's career exploding as much as it has, that may prove difficult. Marianne knows better than anyone alive just how much of a monster Joe is, and while she may not want to mess with the life she's managed to find with her daughter, she also may feel a calling to bring him down. Most importantly (and in a twist that was fairly easy to see coming), Marianne's "death" was an elaborate scheme set up by Nadia and Marianne; Nadia was the one texting Marianne's phone as her friend about custody, and Nadia found drugs that were able to slow Marianne's heartrate down to make it seem like she was dead. London Joe is scaring the absolute crap out of Nadia with a big smile on his face, telling her that his circumstances have changed. A little of that typical Joe Goldberg internal monologue—he regrets his decision to jump, yada yada—and we fade out. The two of them also cooked up the fake suicide note to leave Marianne's body in public so that she could be found; this was really so Nadia could give her an adrenaline shot and bring her back to life to make her great escape. She tells him that her dad is now dead, she has all of his resources, and she can help him cover everything up and start new. We don't even have to talk much about the back-and-forth; Tom thinks Joe killed Rhys just for him, Joe just wants to get rid of Tom because of how horrible he was to Kate (Charlotte Richie) and how much impact he's seemingly had on her life (Whether he's telling the truth is anyone's guess. [the person we thought was the Eat The Rich Kille](https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a42780129/you-season-4-part-1-ending-explained-killer/)r, Rhys Montrose, was actually Joe losing his mind all along, and Joe had never even met the real Rhys Montrose.

In 'You' season 4, Joe Goldberg starts to imagine that Rhys Montrose is murdering people. Does Joe have a personality disorder, or is he a psychopath?

He has a propensity to do this.” In fact, Joe’s duality goes all the way back to season 1, with Gamble noting, “In the first frames of the series in the pilot, his inner monologue is really distinct. But I am not a doctor and the writers’ room is not full of doctors.” The team behind You has researched a plethora of conditions, but when it comes to what’s going on in Joe’s head, Gamble says, “We are not writing a show to perfectly dramatize any particular syndrome. But to us, Joe is one of one, and we’re telling the story of his particular psyche.” [Mayo Clinic](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dissociative-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20355215) also notes that dissociative disorders, such as Joe’s belief that Rhys is carrying out his crimes, present as a “disconnection and lack of continuity between thoughts, memories, surroundings, actions and identity.” Per the site, dissociative disorders “usually develop as a reaction to trauma and help keep difficult memories at bay,” which would certainly be true for Joe, considering his traumatic past. “And I spent a lot of my career personally writing about ghosts and demons and alternate universes where there’s another one of you. In a certain way, we see the arc of the series as Joe getting a little bit more unhinged as each season goes along. Here, Joe’s identity seems to shatter, and he’s faced to confront his actions like never before. But Joe has been hallucinating Rhys in his absence, and even worse, he’s assumed Rhys’ identity to carry out some pretty heinous acts, such as kidnapping Marienne and locking her in a glass cage. Gamble also notes that Joe’s body has faced some violence throughout the series, all of which has only added to his current mental state. As for why Joe essentially split into two people in season 4, Gamble tells ELLE.com, “We started talking about it a couple of seasons ago. Does Joe have a particular medical condition causing him to split into two people? Instead, we discover that [Joe Goldberg](https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a37953189/you-season-4-news-cast-spoilers-date/) had been up to his old tricks yet again—he just doesn’t know it.

Who is the Eat the Rich killer in You Season 4? This is what we know at the end of Part 1, when Rhys confesses he is pinning the murders on Joe the entire ...

Now, Joe is moving forward with the "Rhys" part of him in the driver's seat. Joe is Rhys, Rhys is Joe – and Joe can't help but be a killer. By the end of the season, Joe kills Kate's father Tom (Greg Kinnear). Part One ends with Rhys making a confession that he's the Eat the Rich killer. Kate's friend Roald (Ben Wiggins) convinces the remaining that Joe is the killer. Indeed, they have never met: Joe listened to Rhys' audiobook and became obsessed with him. Joe wakes up midway the first episode to find his neighbor Malcom (Stephen Hagan) dead atop his dining room table with a dagger plunged through his chest. 9, viewers may have had a hunch as to the identity of the Eat the Rich killer, who has been murdering socialites in Feeling such shame at harming the woman he supposedly loved, he splintered. unless he can escape and return to London. During a forest chase, Joe knocks out Roald. In a close call, the two narrowly breakout of the dark cellar with the help of Kate and Joe begins his fight to expose Rhys as London's Eat the Rich killer.